focus on the stupid stuff now but the big savings come from making small changes now that over the next 30 years make significant savings in the entitlement programs. >> and you always have been an optimist about this stuff while i'm a pessimist. >> i'm a long-term are optimist. >> steve you get the last word. >> i guess i would say that i'm a long-term optimist because i believe that one of the ways out of this is by restraining spending to get the economy going again because eventually we will grow our way out of this and not spend our way out of this. >> i hope you are right. >> we hope. >> we certainly need growth to do it. thank you steve and grover. >> thank you. >>> coming up, i'll show you that i can cut the budget so there is no debt crisis. it can be done. naturals from delicious, real ingredients with no artificial flavors or preservatives. naturals from purina cat chow. share a better life. we taxpayers must be suckers. we gave the politicians more than $2 trillion and then they say that is not enough. they have to spend 3.8 trillion? give me a break. the end of the clinton